Talk:Contact Report 424
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interwake said ...
newinitiation said ...
Billy and the Plejarens talk about contacts outside of military and noncivilian kind. There exists many purported reports from Military sources alleging contacts with aliens (or is this the work of the shadowy group?). Because Billy and the plejarens cannot talk about contacts concerning the military sorts we can only assume that minute section of witness testimony from disclosure may just be true.
--newinitiation 11:54, 8 April 2010 (BST)
john said ...
This is very, VERY confusing. As why is Ptaah saying that what happened to the Hills was untrue and caused by delusions infered by the electromagnetic field of the Earth. Where as in Contact report 37, Semjase explains that they are beings from the Zeta Reticuli star system. ?????? This is the first real contradiction I've read in all these cantact reports. And furthermore, though not mentioned anywhere in the Contact reports, how could someone like Whitley Strieber not be considered to have a real experience very similar to the Hills as well as Travis Walton. I believe in all of this, but this puts a strain on my belief, only as it is such clear contridiction. Could someone please explain this glaring discrepancy!
--john 21:08, 12 April 2010 (BST)
john said ...
well???
--john 17:17, 14 April 2010 (BST)
Hawaiian said ...
John,
I would have to agree with you, Contact Note 37 regarding Semjase's comments contradicts Ptaah's more recent statements regarding the abduction of the Hills couple. The Plejarens are also human and prone to mistakes, why Ptaah chose to counter his daughter's remarks remains a mystery?
Maybe it's an attempt to stop other people's delusional aspiration in claiming the same type of abductions from the same or different ET...who knows..maybe you should ask Ptaah himself? There are just too many agendas, both Earthly and non-Earthly sources in this "equation"
--Hawaiian 00:46, 15 April 2010 (BST)
Thomas57 said ...
There are several inconsistencies in the Contact(37 & 424) reporting data - of which this is one. In 1975 Semyase says the Hill's WERE taken and experimented upon and 2006 Ptaah tells Billy that the 'electromagnetic earth energies are the causal agent of the Hills 'abduction.
While I am not 'muddying over Ptaah's comments, perhaps - it behooves ALL of us reading ANY material to cross reference it and to think about the consequences to exposing more than necessary to others.
--Thomas Horner 00:17, 14 June 2010 (BST)
Mark said ...
Thomas57 that was a good find.:) I think someone told a little too much info than was suppose to be known at the time "Semjase" and maybe my guess is the High Council instructed Ptaah to reject all claims to ease fears in man of Earth. At a later date all may be revealed. There are some truths that must be revealed at the right time. I'm sure Semjase was grounded for at least 100 years of year 1,000 year life cycle. :) j/k
--Mark 07:58, 14 June 2010 (BST)
Newinitiation said ...
The Plejarens had acknowledged that they were too trusting of earth human beings and that they had taken our words at face value until the truth got the better of them. Also they didn't have the sonean technology at that time to make things unequivocally clear. As they said they aren't perfect nor are they superhuman beings capable of everything. As for the electromagnetic disturbances of the earth which influenced the hills, I think they were referring to the Giza intelligence's telenotic electromagnetic mind control devices used on them to bring about a false memory just as they had influenced several other human beings in the past.
--Newinitiation 04:36, 3 October 2010 (BST)
Sanjin said ...
I think that Newinitiation is right. Basically they initially jumped to a conclusion based on false evidence (witness testimonials and similar things), which they also do explain in CR424.
--Sanjin 20:34, 3 October 2010 (BST)
Mrnorm said ...
i feel it being sad that some how we cant gain there trust as in helping our world by telling our goverments into getting there act together.Another thing, how on earth can we even think of lowering our population down to 1/2 billion...people have babys even if they cant even aford to feed them..how do you nuter a population? with new tecnology there would be new jobs,and that could end the use of fossel fuels, why stop using telpathicly in contacting us humans? In so doing,giving some humans of this earth the knowledge to acomplishing these things, why are we just a tourist stop? like china we have nothing to sell are trade with you,you take what you want and help if you want,i truely do want to see the big picture and not wate till death to visit the spirit world... how do we live to be 999 years old...what do you see in advances for earths near future ?
--Mrnorm 21:05, 22 August 2011 (BST)
Markvd said ...
Mrnorm as they have stated in there situation as well that they had to earn there capabilities through responsibility and as they progressed voila new ideas came as they correctly used what they were currently in possession of. Although we are a loooooooooooooooooooong ways off from correctly using all our capabilities we have to start off one step at a time and reducing the population so everyone can benefit would be a good start. :) Any idea turns into a destructive purpose you know you are going in the wrong direction. It must be a balanced progressive growth.
--Markvd 04:00, 23 August 2011 (BST)
Mrnorm said ...
How in a hill of beans can you lower a population of 7 billion to a 1/2 billon with out a catastrophe of some kind and who would ever want a world war are sickness of any kind... . zer0 population groth will never happen not unless the ET's step in and as you say that will never happen not in a thoooouusan ---trillion years ..just knowing by what has all ready taken place in earths humanity...i wonder if there has been worlds like us in the past and how it has turned out for them the last 21,000,000 years are 3500 years are any where between years
--Mrnorm 18:23, 21 September 2011 (BST)
Zameen said ...
Mrnorm. the proposed idea means lowering the population in a safe and humane way and setting a fair and balanced criteria for having children which if you ask me, is sorely needed anyways. people with no business having children are HAVING children all over the world not to mention the church saying "go forth and multiply" only for the intent of creating more stupid followers. Billy and the Plejaran are suggesting we take 'breaks' from having kids at certain intervals and setting up a system of pre-requisites that establish whether or not you should have a kid. for example:if someone is addicted to crystal-meth, and receives welfare then maybe they shouldn't have a child until they can be an honest and positive contributor to his community i.e; having a job, being productive in some way and not doing drugs.there are millions of people of every race, all over the planet, irresponsibly having children everyday without first thinking about these factors. as I mentioned before, taking a break from child births for the given amount of time could begin an age gap that with time, can dramatically ease the strain on infrastructure, resources and clean and healthy living space. no one is suggesting a catastrophe but rather a unified consciousness on the topic of overpopulation and a neutral positive assessment of this crisis that is unfolding in front of our eyes.
--Zameen 22:55, 21 September 2011 (BST)
Markvd said ...
We don't have to lower the population to 500 million, I think it is impossible for Earth to tell you the truth. We just have to reach a level where every person has a home and some work. I mean if I were on the outside looking into Earth and let's say there are 8 billion people and 2 billion of those are homeless and starving. How can we be called human for that massive miscalculation of our fellow man. HMMMMMMMMMMMM I think a more reasonable number for our intelligence level is around 3-3.5 billion with only 2 kids max per family. If we could reach that I think our world would look like a responsible one.
--Markvd 01:20, 22 September 2011 (BST)
Mrnorm said ...
Look guys i agree with what you just said 101% but this cant even be done with out world leadership... and theres no known power on earth that can do what you say in the next 498.9 years with out ET intervention of some kind, people are going to just keep poping out babys,doing drugs,killing-well you know the rest...So lets take this brake of population control... its just not going to happen unless ET steps in... any thing elce is just a wish list sorry to say...I have read where other worlds have taken up our stile of religion and they have failed to the point that they have no world any more...life is predestined ... were just living in its space... unless theres an intervension of some kind... also theres more than one ET out there that just might be making intervension plans right now for the future of earth... good are bad... even tho billy went 500 years into earths future ... hes not aloud to tell what he knows are seen...
--Mrnorm 17:52, 22 September 2011 (BST)
Markvd said ...
Like Yoda from Star Wars would say, that is why you fail because you do not believe you can do it. This is a very easy and simplistic task. It takes certain human qualities to achieve it however, courage, determination, duty, math, science, etc. Unfortunately not many are educated enough to make it happen but if they work together they will.
--Markvd 19:42, 22 September 2011 (BST)
Hawaiian said ...
Based on a planet the size of Earth and its natural ability to sustain a human population without overstressing its available resources accordingly to its land mass area, the maximum size comes out to about 529 million human beings. This figure is derived from the natural regenerative cycle of balance between the impact of humans on the environment and the planet’s ability to heal itself and continue without undue stress.
This figure takes into consideration that ALL dams are taken down, nuclear energy production ceased, massive cities reduced to rural areas, former productive areas returned to farmlands and other “green” projects to replace those that produce a large carbon footprint along with renewable environmental friendly energy.
However, Earth can temporarily sustain a higher number than 529 million say around 1-2 billion, but drastic changes must take place that will require an adjusted formulation to the above statement. For example retaining some dams to increase the food production areas and densely populated areas subjected to self-sustaining environmental standards as not to strain other land mass areas. It can be worked out and at the moment is probably the most logical and reasonable approach.
However many obstacles are facing this resolution because of political and economic reasons, larger countries may want to keep their population high, for it equates to more power and influence than one which is small.
--Hawaiian 23:07, 24 September 2011 (BST)
Markvd said ...
That would be the correct number but our population can barely with sense and reason calculate enough homes and jobs. How can they fathom 500,000 million. It is best to reach an attainable goal and as they see the quality of life increase dramatically for the better then maybe we through some reason we might I highly doubt would would reach that number through our own reasoning rather than possible wars or natural catastrophies and stresses on the planet. You must factor in the stubborn quality which currently prevails and will not allow man to utilize reason at the current time. Only through gradual and reasonable population decrease will it ever occur. I think our stresses on the planet however as they say will reach a peak in 2012 maybe that will be the time people will awaken to reason.
--Markvd 03:15, 25 September 2011 (BST)
Mrnorm said ...
Im in total agreement, you three are wise...thanks for that, lets just hope some day the world will change for the better and of corse sooner better than... later but not in my life time sorry to say...
--Mrnorm 21:57, 11 October 2011 (BST)
Markvd said ...
If everybody does something within there capability then we will get there sooner rather than later. It truly is a team effort in order to bring balance to society. I just hope we find that knowledge is the true meaning of life and it's purpose rather than materials controlling the mind. If we get over that hurdle we will see better days.
--Markvd 22:46, 11 October 2011 (BST)
J rod7 said ...
In respect to the comment from Ptaah: "...the unique occurrence in Brazil regarding the Alpha Centauri-contact...," is reference to the planet Acart (Akart) and the contacts in Brazil with Artur Berlet. Ptaah tells us this is (were) true contacts, then Billy tells us that the book written by Wendelle Stevens about this case is not true. This contradiction needs to be clarified.
--J rod7 17:28, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Level4 said ...
in report number 37 "semjase" gives entirely different information about the betty and barney hill case! if the case was a hoax, fraud or a simple hallucination by said couple, how and why would "semjase" confirm that those aliens came from the system of zeta reticuli, since this information came from betty hill in the first place, by drawing a starmap out of her recollation under hypnosis?!
i'm not asking this for debunking reasons, i would just like to be updated if i missed something out here?!
--Level4 19:47, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Level4 said ...
furthermore..
there are dozens of proven(!) cases where people - claimed abductees - had implants removed for the bodies documented on video (google "Dr.Roger Leir" for example). those videos were sent to special laboratories to determine their consistence, without telling the testers where the objects came from. and in ALL of the cases the results said that the implants contained elements that were only found in asteroid/meteroid samples so far!
to say the least, both of the stories we're dealing here might be a big hoax, but i do believe that both are not.
considering this, i have the strong opinion that Ptaah is not quite saying the truth in this report.
--Level4 20:20, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
The explanation given for electro magnetic delusion of abductions is beneath even the intelligence of the Giza penis heads. Sorry the truth penetrates even the sphinxcter of the bottomless pyramids. Shame on you dear Aqurius with Moon in Scorpio. One simply must update to better technology from NASA if they cant tell one alien lie from another.
--interwake 16:54, 29 March 2010 (BST)