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Markvd said ...

Interesting stuff, if I would add another capability if possible in the future extended human RAM memory so the same mistakes made long ago don't keep repeating like a broken record during future life incarnations.:) All these wonderous abilities are good if clumsy baffoons are not using it for irrational purposes.

--Markvd 02:01, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Hawaiian 21:16, 5 December 2010 (UTC)The problem with RAM memory is that for every incarnation of a spirit there is a new personality without any memory of former life cycles. Thus this new personality (for its own good) is kept away from its personalities of former life cycles. Until the psyche is strong enough (as in Billy's case), it can access former experiences/knowledge via its Subconscious without damage (multiple personality disorder or bipolar)

However, you have a point of former malevolent beings having the same negative personalities emerging again in reincarnations that brings problems not just for themselves, but others as well. (reference to one person who shot at Billy was in former times the same incarnated spirit that also persecuted Jmmanuel 2000 years ago).

Thus, we have an uncreational event that repeats itself, because it is not currently being balanced by forces that are capable of doing so and it affects the evolution of others as well. Therefore a new more creative method is required that gives the current personality the necessary experiences/knowledge it needs to differentiate between right/wrong and through its free will, hopefully decide for the good of itself and others as well. Apparently the spirit has not learned to balance itself through the creational incarnation process and continues down its path of destruction not only of itself but others as well including the innocent. Maybe the only option for these malevolent ones are removal to a desolate planet where they can destroy themselves or be subjected to experimentation in resolving such disorders?

--Markvd I guess you could say we are on that planet right now with the 144,000 Creator Overlord strong criminal all star team.:) Every generation has it's warlord. They just have to be tamed in order to lessen there capability for mass destruction.

Hawaiian 03:20, 7 December 2010 (UTC)The 144,228 malevolent “sons and daughters” of heavens that enslaved Earth humans and subjected the insane religious teachings were a much later generation, not the Creator Overlords themselves, but some were certainly from the counterparts that fled to this SOL system.

An interesting comment by Billy regarding these people is in the last paragraph of the following listed below. It appears that those wishing to make amends are part of the inner core group obligated to the mission as well as to themselves for pass injustices.

Now, if one considers the “other” side of the equation, the Cause and Effect of Earth “victims”, whose spiritual evolution were severely damaged because of these “sons and daughters of heaven, why are they not also included in the inner core? Is it because they are too degenerated in evolution in spite of the fact another more advanced race imposed themselves upon Earth humans?

Then of course you have the Creator Overlords themselves “contributing” more degenerated inputs like diseases and shorten life spans known as “programmed suicides” and other negative influences that made sure these humans remain at the “end of the bus”.

So in the end, is it a fair deal to have everyone now start at square one and expect all to arrive at the same level considering that some are crippled but need to complete the marathon race even if they cannot run?

If I were the judge, I would stop incarnations for those responsible (as Nokodemjion did) unless they endeavor to fix the wrongs done immediately to those that deserve it and discipline those that continue enslavements. Otherwise keep them in the ether state until the oppressed have evolved to their level of evolution so that both can now begin the evolution process on equal footing. If it takes several thousands of years, then be it.

Contact Note 228

Billy

Yes, it concerns very far distant descendents; and it is not just a few who belong to this lineage.

Question: From that I take it that, with the so-called punishment incarnations into which each core group member would be arranged - who are, according to the determination, in the core group - it has nothing to do with punishment incarnations, because for me, according to the spirit teachings, that would make no sense

Rather, I see it that these people - as they recognized that they, as the bearers of the mission and duty, had become unfaithful to their obligation - sought a path to more firmly anchor the mission, and the therewith connected duty, to themselves.

Alive said ...

I don't care about the German text. The English text provided by Vivienne Legg, Dyson Devine, and Vibka Wallder, contains many interesting informations from Billy which could be useful for me in the future. I thank them all.

---- M -- 15:54, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Alive said ...

"The fact is that the human being's personality and entire body uninterruptedly transmit feinstofflich-electromagnetic vibrations, or, signals, which are perceived by other human beings, unfortunately, as a rule, however, only unconsciously, because the human being has turned himself towards the atrophying of his pineal gland as a result of the change of direction of his inner world towards a purely rational intellect. "

No matter how small someone's pineal gland is, it still runs its function as a sender and a receiver of ultra fine electromagentic vibrations. Could we say then that living humans are uninterruptedly communicating telepathically, but they don't take notice of it?

---- M -- 16:21, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Hawaiian said ...

Alive,

Rest assured that through proper meditation one can actually communicate with other material Beings, especially those on Earth without they becoming aware you are doing so, because they are not aware of their own potentials, being less evolved than how they should be!

The penal gland, like any part of your material body, needs exercise and the freedom to develop.

--Hawaiian 03:28, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Sheila said ...

Thank you Vivienne, Dyson and Vibka for this translation. It sure clears up a lot of things that I didn't understand. For example why I felt a pain at the base of my brain at the moment when my mom passed away. The knowing before arriving at the hospital that she was already gone. She had always been able to feel my pain, but that was the first (and last) time I got to feel hers. So thank you very much for that.

--Sheila 20:02, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Hawaiian said ...

Mahalo for sharing, Sheila, quite an experience even though it is sad in a way? Just imagine if our awareness was at a level where we can experience such energies without expiring? This world would be a whole different place indeed.

In an analytical approach, it makes logical sense that at the moment all the 5 physical senses including the 6th are no longer present just before one dies (unfortunately) all memories, experiences, emotions are released into the memory banks within 3 seconds that travel 900,000 kilometers for material Beings and much longer distance for more evolved Beings that have mastered the 7 sense in spiritual telepathy.

That being the case, would it not be logical to think that in a sense, meditation (to a lesser degree), enables an individual to be “immersed” in a similar “environment” so to speak that also gives her/him the necessary means to communicate at a much higher level? Yes I would think so

--Hawaiian 18:05, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Alive said ...

Hawaiian,

Is the penal gland you mentioned a part of human brain that produced penal code which could be used to verdict some naughty pineal glands?

---- M -- 14:52, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Hawaiian 19:12, 9 December 2010 (UTC)Alive, you need to expand more on your question(s), what do you mean by "penal code"? What utilization of this "code" in order to "verdict" some naughty pineal glands? Each human has ONLY one penal gland, so I am assuming you are directing this to others as well?

And finally, is your question(s) directed internally or externally as mentioned in the References section? Feinstoff...feinsstoffsinnlich...etc? I am studying this remarkable article and analyzing "it" throughly, interesting enough there are some "connections" that relates to FIGU Special Bulletin 38.

Sanjin said ...

The joke's on you Hawaiian. :)

--Sanjin 02:10, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Alive said ...

Wish him well, Sanjin. He needs that.

---- M -- 04:07, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Hawaiian said ...

Apparently both Alive and Sanjin have no idea of the importance of understanding the complexity between the connections amongst FIGU Special Bulletin 38, Fluidal energy, the 6th and 7th senses to include remote sensing and control of dreams. The authors of this material also refers to some degree that the Conscious is similar to electrical-motive force known as “voltage” or pressure that move electrons (feinstofflich), which I also coined in previous forums. Electrical-magnetic “radiations” of both the coarse/fine energies are produced by humans and can be measured by the Plejarens to gauge the spiritual evolution of others.

But there is another factor to consider which the article only briefly scratches the surface to imply the capacitance or stored fine/super-fine energies that are linked through the so-called “silver thread” that each and every human being has, but most are not aware of.

You think that it is a joke to poke fun on something that should be taken seriously and don't realize that your comments or lack of intellect is being analyzed by both Earthly and non-Earthly sources, which amounts to nothing less than childish behaviors not worth analyzing in the first place? Where is your “devotion” to your spirit in your current personality, the joke is really on you and not me unfortunately, I don’t see any counter-arguments nor any supportive ones…just static….?

What comments did any of you produced that indicate you actually know something to add that is worthwhile on this topic or rather, what experience do you actually have that can verify this is so? Until you can produce such evidence, then maybe it's better to zip it and observe with the proper mindset devoid of some stupid ego, then maybe you'll learn something?

BTW, Sanjin, have you learned anything since I sent you an excellent posting from another person regarding the ills of homosexual behaviors? Nothing came of it, thus one can assume that you agree on it or otherwise?

I was going to include proven methods of improving one’s 6th and 7th senses, but based on the responses on this forum, decided not to waste my time on those not receptive to concepts that appear beyond their comprehension or more accurately beyond their self-controlled ego.

There is a reason why I posted comments, which in due time will become relevant once all the pieces are put together. Sometimes it’s best to reserve any reaction for the time being until it is better understood in the future.

So far on this site there are only three individuals who display some insights to higher evolutionary development potentials.

--Hawaiian 19:14, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Sanjin said ...

Hawaiian, how about we go back to the basics and pay attention that "7. one smiles at the humour of the various life situations and neither they nor any jokes or attacks are taken deadly serious. " http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation

BTW, you spelled pineal as penal, which is something completely different. :-)

--Sanjin 23:36, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Sheila said ...

Hi Hawaiian, I am interested in your proven methods of developing the 6th and 7th senses.

--Sheila 01:52, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Hawaiian said ...

Sanjin,

I see allot of mistakes done in translations, posting and the like, yet in my case, misspellings are singled out and "redirected" to suit another's agenda simply because they can't find a way to either disprove or add to the discussion in spite of the current topic being discussed are well known to the prospective audience. We were and still on the topic of pineal gland, the gateway to one’s 6 & 7th senses along with a whole slew of connections that has the potential to nullify space/time.

It would have been so easy just to make the notation that there was a misspelled word, instead of “promoting” your own disgruntled childish behavior to personally attack the moderator who is also human and learning at the same time. This is not the first time and the way it looks, probably not the last time either. It’s just an unnecessary nuisance, like dealing with some cry baby while giving a lecture to a professional audience, wasted energy.

Now, I have to do the same to that other immature personality named Markvd on the Spiritual topic where he made irrelevalent comments about myself which are completely false…again time and energy wasted. How can there be any progressive movement when these so called “enlightened ones” on this forum behave in such a manner? You should all be ashamed and act accordingly because each and every human represents millions of years of evolution and when speaking or communicating with each, you also communicate at a finer level to ALL of their previous personalities as well.

That being said, I find it unnecessary to expand more in this forum and will conclude my last assessment on the Spiritual topic, because I have fulfilled my mission and will not expend any more wasted energy on others that do not have the discipline to logically extrapolate the “connections” being presented by BEAM’s material. Besides it will be too dangerous to give a child a loaded gun when they cannot display the proper discipline to logically control such power in order to maintain balance amongst the positive and negative attributes that encompass this universe that starts with one’s mindset

--Hawaiian 20:05, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Hawaiian said ...

Sheila,

It’s not exactly “my proven” proven methods, but a combination of others and personal experiences “proven” in the non-material realms of the dream state. It is available for everyone who makes the concerted effort in doing so.

Since you asked, sure I’ll show you ways to improve your 6th and 7th senses. But to avoid dealing with these “nuisances” I would prefer to communicate this privately and not on this forum. However, you should be aware that your psyche should first be strengthened in order to deal with events both material and non-material once your abilities improve.

Many of these episodes will occur in the dream state and you will find that it will also effect the material waking world as well. You’ll have control over these dreams and need to discipline your personality to prevent abuses as often there will be events that severely test your resolve in maintaining balance between the positive/negative influences occurring during your waking life that also “bleed over” into the dream realms.

For instance, I managed to “arrange” a meeting with Albert Einstein in a discussion on his theory for exceeding the speed of light. It is your Conscious that needs to “obtain” the necessary input in order to develop the required “voltage” or pressure to trigger this event (via the Subconscious). Anyways, to make things short, Dr. Einstein wrote out the entire formula on the blackboard and started getting annoyed because I was trying to remember the mathematical formulas instead to listening to his personal comments. (My error this time).

There will be times events happen without your input and these I have not quite gotten a handle on yet, for in this realm is not quite understood well unless you ask that directly to Billy himself.

There can also be some very disturbing dreams that give one the “experiences” that comes very close to real events which would be impossible to do in real life situations because the damage may become permanent. It’s a learning method certainly not for the timid and unbalanced mind that will cause psychotic or schizophrenic behaviors that will cross over into the material waking world as well.

Through my personal experiences in the dream realms, I have so far “found” there are three different states, one could be strictly an observer ( like in remote viewing), a direct participant (most dreams) or at a higher level as an arbitrator, one who administer between opposing parties in order to “find” a resolution amongst a dilemma. There may be higher “states” and probably are.

Open an account in another of Billy’s internet supporting website in Steelmark Forum and send a message to Barbarian216. There are a few questions that need to be answered first before we start on this most interesting topic.

--Hawaiian 20:52, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Sanjin said ...

Hi Hawaiian.

May I make a suggestion to be modest when dealing with people. There's a bunch of quotes from the Goblet of Truth about modesty and its utter importance.

If you don't fertilize your ground with the fundamental material, your tree of higher evolutionary development potentials will be fruitless.

Also, if you see any misspellings, grammatical mistakes or similar in any of the articles/contact notes/excerpts that I am working on, please feel free to make me aware of it. My "mission" is to make the translation as good as possible and any help would certainly be welcome.

Salome, Sanjin

--Sanjin 23:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Hawaiian said ...

Sanjin,

Sometimes a direct-in-your face approach is the best method, why beat around the bush for those egotistic arrogant ones who don't listen, even if it’s for their own good? All of my postings are done on behalf of others and in no way shape or form was self-directed as assumed by others who do not understand that in order to learn about creation, one needs to also bear the responsibility of the negative factors as well, then weigh the outcome or appropriate resolution(s) which requires COMPLETE knowledge and experience(s) beyond the material realms not just the rosy flavor, but the bitterness as well.

In a perfectly established Creational environment, yes modesty is appropriate, but in an unbalanced, Uncreational environment as we all know on Earth, the timid and silent ones are often trampled over. Sometimes one has to do what Billy did to Jitschi when he started getting irrational and unbalanced upon anticipating a meeting with Jmmanuel.

Billy punched and gave him a bloody nose, which calmed Jitschi’s senses that he later, acknowledged was “appropriate”. So thus, some things we do to maintain such balances in this chaotic world may seem barbaric by others, but bear in mind we don’t live in some paradise world as others do, but if that is what it takes to maintain “harmony”, so be it so. I certainly don’t enjoy sticking it to someone, but it’s for their own good as well as others, then its okay to do so.

I have little concern about “my ground” of fundamental materials which are scattered throughout the various races of sorts both on Earth and other origins that came and went. We are all the products of our environments, both material and non-material, it is up to your present personality to integrate your Conscious with your Subconscious in order to link up with other “silver threads” that if appropriately “administered” throughout its evolutionary levels (primary and/or spiritual telepathy) will determine to what extent each potential(s) are elevated in order to produce its appropriate harmonic frequency(s) which is/are not restricted to space/time or dimensions that will properly address accordingly to each particular situation. It is through the formulas I presented in the Spritual section that addresses each case, whether Earth bound or otherwise to include even the degenerates.

Creation = Cause & Effect Uncreation = Not Cause & Not Effect

--Hawaiian 19:47, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Sanjin said ...

Dear Hawaiian,

I am also referring to your inability to take a joke lightly. You should develop a thicker skin.

Instead of approaching it with elegance, you have raised yourself above us as some master teacher talking down on us like we are small children while at the same time you weren't able to spell the fundamental gland for the Feinstoffsinnlichkeit of the sixth and the seventh senses.

What you harvested is that you were not taken seriously and you should take responsibility for the negative effects of your factors instead of making such a big deal about it.

If you are implying that being timid and silent are the characteristics of modesty then you are wrong. Being modest refers to not being excessive in anything, and so it refers to being meager in and free from excessive behaviors but not meager on confidence and uprightness and not without voice.

--Sanjin 20:10, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Sanjin said ...

Just came across this study that concluded that fluoride has an effect on the functioning of the pineal gland, so it might be pertinent to keep the fluoride intakes in check if one wants it to function properly:

http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/pineal/

--Sanjin 13:12, 23 December 2010 (UTC)