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being an expert myself, I know that that expert knowledge is very hard to come by. So I say, 'Well, is that | being an expert myself, I know that that expert knowledge is very hard to come by. So I say, 'Well, is that | ||
expert knowledge there or isn't it there?' Because if the expert knowledge isn't there, this has got to be | expert knowledge there or isn't it there?' Because if the expert knowledge isn't there, this has got to be | ||
| − | real." | + | real." see [[Wally Gentleman]]. |
'''Nippon TV:''' Did their own examination and also came to the conclusion that there were no models, | '''Nippon TV:''' Did their own examination and also came to the conclusion that there were no models, | ||
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'''Rhal Zahi:''' Rhal offered an interesting and clever analysis in 2013, by using the crafts reflections, as seen on the high resolution images, to identify two sizes of the Wedding Cake UFO: "The WCUFO has different proportions depending on its size. We analyzed certain photographs of WCUFO craft that look to have different sizes. We conclude that the horizontal proportions are the same on the WCUFO of 3.5m and 7m diameter, but the vertical proportions can be somewhat different." | '''Rhal Zahi:''' Rhal offered an interesting and clever analysis in 2013, by using the crafts reflections, as seen on the high resolution images, to identify two sizes of the Wedding Cake UFO: "The WCUFO has different proportions depending on its size. We analyzed certain photographs of WCUFO craft that look to have different sizes. We conclude that the horizontal proportions are the same on the WCUFO of 3.5m and 7m diameter, but the vertical proportions can be somewhat different." | ||
| − | Zahi created a reasonably accurate 3D, architects style plan of the Semjase Silver Star Center, where the Wedding Cake UFO was originally photographed by Billy Meier decades before. By using a computer modeling software with an image of a similarly reflective test sphere, recently taken and photographed in the same position, and combining it with satellite imagery. Zahi brings out previously unknown data's and distance measurements: "Viewing the reflected carriage-house dark shapes stereoscopically, in 3D, gives more information. Then we can see different shapes of objects as being at different distances." Which at any rate ruled out the prospect, if models were used, that they could have been any smaller than 1m diameter, and affirming the logistical problem | + | Zahi created a reasonably accurate 3D, architects style plan of the Semjase Silver Star Center, where the Wedding Cake UFO was originally photographed by Billy Meier decades before. By using a computer modeling software with an image of a similarly reflective test sphere, recently taken and photographed in the same position, and combining it with satellite imagery. Zahi brings out previously unknown data's and distance measurements: "Viewing the reflected carriage-house dark shapes stereoscopically, in 3D, gives more information. Then we can see different shapes of objects as being at different distances." Which at any rate ruled out the prospect, if models were used, that they could have been any smaller than 1m diameter, and affirming the logistical problem. If assuming models were used of different sizes, many being 7 meters, the size of a small tourist coach/minibus, these larger sizes then make the prospect particularly difficult. It would have been easier to just have a real UFO and take a normal photo of it. |
== References == | == References == | ||
Latest revision as of 10:03, 10 February 2019
From Author Gary Kinder's "Open Letter to the UFO Community"
David Froning: At the time, Dr. Froning had already spent 25 years as an astronautical engineer at McDonnell Douglas in highly classified military defense and, in 1979, became interested in Meier's accounts of Plejaren starship travel, which mentioned tachyon propulsion. Dr. Froning found Meier's account of tachyon propulsion (which was only beginning to be discussed by a very small and select group of theoretical physicists), and his calculations for above light speed travel to be amazing. In 1983, he was pursuing his Quantum Interstellar Ramjet idea (JBIS vol. 33, no. 7, July 1980; AIAA 81-1533, July1981; IAF-85-492, October, 1985) and plugged in his Quantum Ramjet performance equations, assuming: a given starship density, vacuum energy conversion efficiency (in transforming positrons and electrons within the quantum vacuum into photons), and vacuum energy conversion scales of distance of the order of the Compton wavelength. The resulting vehicle acceleration enabled achievement of almost light speed in about 4.3 hours and deceleration from light speed in about 4.3 hours. Meier said that the elapsed time during the "hyperspace jump" took only several seconds. Thus, trip time between the Pleiades star cluster and Earth with Froning's slower-than-light Quantum Ramjet Drive plus a hypothetical tachyon drive would be 8.6 hours, which was within 20% of the Plejaren trip time reported by Meier. But, while Froning's calculations were based on many arbitrary assumptions, and in no way proved the truthfulness of Meier's account (since it was a theoretical system he was working on, only time will tell as to which are correct) Froning was somewhat startled that his arbitrary flight time computations were within 20% of the flight time mentioned by Meier. Regarding the Meier material, Dr. Froning also publicly stated that, "My colleagues and I may have made breakthroughs in our understanding of possibilities and ways for traveling faster than light from Billy Meier's accounts of his encounters with the Plejarens."
Eric Eliason: U.S. Geological Survey in Flagstaff, Arizona, created image-processing software so astrogeologists can analyze photographs of planets beamed back from space, spent two years producing the intricate radar map of cloud-covered Venus acquired by Pioneer 10: "In the photographs there were no sharp breaks where you could see it had been somehow artificially dubbed. And if that dubbing was registered in the film, the computer would have seen it. We didn't see anything."
Robert Post: JPL photo laboratory for 22 years, was the head of that lab in 1979, and oversaw the developing and printing of every photograph that came out of JPL at the time: "From a photography standpoint, you couldn't see anything that was fake about the Meier photos. That's what struck me. They looked like legitimate photographs. I thought, 'God, if this is real, this is going to be really something."
Dr. Michael Malin: Principal investigator for the Mars Orbiter Camera on NASA's Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft at Malin Space Science Systems (MSSS), San Diego, CA. Analyzed Meier's photographs in 1981: "I find the photographs themselves credible, they're good photographs. They appear to represent a real phenomenon. The story that some farmer in Switzerland is on a first name basis with dozens of aliens who come to visit him ... I find that incredible. But I find the photographs more credible. They're reasonable evidence of something. What that something is I don't know." Malin also said, "If the photographs are hoaxes then I am intrigued by the quality of the hoax. How did he do it? I'm always interested in seeing a master at work."
Steve Ambrose: Sound engineer for Stevie Wonder, inventor of the Micro Monitor radio set and speaker that fits inside Wonder's ear, analyzed the Meier sound recordings of one of the UFO's as it hovered above him. Not only was he unable to duplicate the sounds with synthesizers, he found they created totally unique patterns on a spectrum analyzer and on the oscilloscope. Another sound engineer named Nils Rognerud corroborated Ambrose's findings. Think about this for just a moment, these experts, using state-of-the-art equipment, were unable to duplicate the sounds and the unique patterns they generated.
Wally Gentleman: Director of Special Effects on the Canadian Film Board for ten years, director of special photographic effects for Stanley Kubrick's film 2001, had viewed Meier's 8mm film segments of the UFO's. Showed that the manpower and costs to fake the films were clearly beyond Meier's reach: "My greatest problem is that for anybody faking this" (referring to one of the photographs) "the shadow that is thrown onto that tree is correct. Therefore, if somebody is faking it they have an expert there. And being an expert myself, I know that that expert knowledge is very hard to come by. So I say, 'Well, is that expert knowledge there or isn't it there?' Because if the expert knowledge isn't there, this has got to be real." see Wally Gentleman.
Nippon TV: Did their own examination and also came to the conclusion that there were no models, special effects or hoaxing involved in Meier's films.
Marcel Vogel: Research chemist for IBM for twenty-two years, held thirty-two patents, and invented the magnetic disk coating memory system still used in IBM disk memories. A specialist in the conversion of energy inside crystals, Vogel probed crystalline structures with the most complete optical microscopic equipment available in the world - a system of scanning electron microscopes costing $250,000. Lieut. Col. Wendelle Stevens, USAF (Ret.): One of the original investigators in the Meier case. In 1979, he sent Vogel crystals and metal samples Meier had received from the Plejaren. Vogel reported, "When I touched the oxide with a stainless steel probe, red streaks appeared and the oxide coating disappeared. I just touched the metal like that, and it started to deoxidize and become a pure metal. I have never seen a phenomenon like that before." Of another metal sample containing nearly every element in the periodic table, Vogel stated, "Each pure element was bonded to each of the others, yet somehow retained its own identity." At 500 X magnification thulium was revealed. "Thulium exists only in minute amounts. It is exceedingly expensive, far beyond platinum, and rare to come by. Someone would have to have an extensive metallurgical knowledge even to be aware of a composition of this type", said Vogel. At 1600 X Vogel said, "A whole new world appears in the specimen. There are structures within structures - very unusual." At 2500 X he found that the sample was, "metal, but at the same time ... it is crystal!"
Vogel put the full weight of his expertise in these summary comments: "With any technology that I know of, we could not achieve this on this planet! ... And I think it is important that those of us who are in the scientific world sit down and do some serious study on these things instead of putting it off as people's imagination." Again, here is another top-level scientific specialist who is unable to duplicate the material presented to him by Meier.
From Analysis of the Wedding Cake UFO by Rhal Zahi, Version 2, March 2013
Rhal Zahi: Rhal offered an interesting and clever analysis in 2013, by using the crafts reflections, as seen on the high resolution images, to identify two sizes of the Wedding Cake UFO: "The WCUFO has different proportions depending on its size. We analyzed certain photographs of WCUFO craft that look to have different sizes. We conclude that the horizontal proportions are the same on the WCUFO of 3.5m and 7m diameter, but the vertical proportions can be somewhat different."
Zahi created a reasonably accurate 3D, architects style plan of the Semjase Silver Star Center, where the Wedding Cake UFO was originally photographed by Billy Meier decades before. By using a computer modeling software with an image of a similarly reflective test sphere, recently taken and photographed in the same position, and combining it with satellite imagery. Zahi brings out previously unknown data's and distance measurements: "Viewing the reflected carriage-house dark shapes stereoscopically, in 3D, gives more information. Then we can see different shapes of objects as being at different distances." Which at any rate ruled out the prospect, if models were used, that they could have been any smaller than 1m diameter, and affirming the logistical problem. If assuming models were used of different sizes, many being 7 meters, the size of a small tourist coach/minibus, these larger sizes then make the prospect particularly difficult. It would have been easier to just have a real UFO and take a normal photo of it.
