Talk:Homosexuality - What is its Cause?

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Sanjin said ...

The word sodomy was not translated here properly:

"In modern German, the word “Sodomie” has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy

--Sanjin 02:19, 17 May 2010 (BST)

Beau Man said ...

Homosexuals can and many do choose to procreate. I am a parent of two children, conceived with women, raised in a loving household in mixed community - males and females of diverse orientations. Love is the basis of any successful relationship, with self, other, the planet and universe...

--Beau Man 23:28, 24 May 2010 (BST)

Mark said ...

According to contact report 219, the priesthood is partially to blame because of cellibacy. You must release that tension or distorted volcanic eruptions occur such as homosexuality. Don't join the priesthood. All the priests should take a lie detector test. I think the Pope would have a very hard time defending a majority of his priests. Nuns must face the same dilemma, time to search for nuns that need to be freed from there tension. :)j/k

--Mark 00:00, 26 May 2010 (BST)

AS said ...

I'm a bit confused by the wording on this particular page.

Even if a male homosexual bond were of a loving and kind nature, and not out of lust or hedonism, it would be deemed unnatural?

As a bisexual male and follower of Billy Meier's work, this saddens me.

--AS 01:10, 1 August 2010 (BST)

Sanjin said ...

Hi AS.

It would only be unnatural for one of you to change your nature surgically to have the ability to bear children. I have talked with Mariann Uehlinger about this and this is what I have found out:

The word homo-sexuality in itself is a contradictory word because of the meaning of the word sexuality in the German language. Not sure if you understand it but here is the German Wikipedia page for this: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualit%C3%A4t

Sexuality is defined in its strict biological sense as "the condition of (at least) two different reproductive types (sexes) of living creatures of the same kind who are capable to reproduce with the other type (sex)." -rough translation

That's why "Homo-Sexualität" is unnatural, but relationships and attraction and sexual union between two men and two women is a natural occurance.

Its really hard to explain it in English, because the German words Sexualität is not the same as sexuality, and also Geschlecht is not the same as gender.

For example Geschlechtsverkehr means sexual intercourse, but word for word it is "gender-intercourse". It's basically impossible to translate it without falsifying the meaning, because the words refer to different things and when one tries to explain something with the two words a different meaning comes out than was meant originally.

I hope this makes sense. :)

--Sanjin 19:09, 1 August 2010 (BST)

AS said ...

Thanks Sanjin.

The whole thing is still pretty vague to me, but I think I understand the basic idea now.

So, hypothetically, if we lived far in the future, and my male partner and I decided to try to make life artificially through some sort of technological means or something like that, that's what would be unnatural?

Unless I'm interpreting it completely wrong. Also, the future thing is just an example. I couldn't think of a better way of wording it.

Thank you.

--AS 21:20, 1 August 2010 (BST)

Hawaiian said ...

Homosexuality is confusion and chaotic at both the material and non-material realms which results in all cases except in rare cases between females, the extinction of such arrangements! There are cases where conception occurs between females due to some genetic influences, but I would assume it is not a natural way of conception and probably not a recommended method of ensuring the species will evolve properly or sustain its reproduction cycles.

It is not pro-creative because biologically speaking a human male which is positive and a human female which is negative are balanced once marriage or union is established, both are needed in order to Creationally evolve the material Beings to the next level of evolution until finally both merge in the Petale level.

Also, homosexuality causes confusion for the reincarnation process, experiences that contradict ones inherited or defined gender specific attributes be it male or female effects every living cell and thus determines in a sense, how the next personality "emerges" for the spirit within each individual.

The "feelings" between these individuals may be genuine and compassionate with sincere meanings, but I often wonder how it affects the former passed personalities that have evolved symetrically with its gender attributes in regards to the spirit in each? We know for a fact that personalities are keep separate in order to prevent confusion, but are not the stored experiences essential for the development of one's spirit because they are connected?

For example, if an embodied male (positive), now having female (negative) impulses, yet remain on the cellular level as male positive is rather, in my opinion (which is not set in stone, until otherwise proven likewise), rather not in harmony a contradiction of sorts, where this negative influences should be coming from a female gender specific source.

The same also applies for female-female (negative-negative) relationships, but that is my opinion and subject to open discussion.

--Hawaiian 22:47, 1 August 2010 (BST)

Sanjin said ...

Hawaiian, how did you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is confusion? I do not think that Creation was confused when it created it's natural laws which placed the prostate in human males there where it can be stimulated from anal intercourse.

I'm not advocating that there is no homosexuality which occurs due to confusion, which would be males that are naturally heterosexual, but develop a disposition to same-sex relationships due to degenerate thoughts. There are also cases which come from being sexually molested by the opposite sex which in turn makes the person develop a fear for the opposite sex.

--Sanjin 20:41, 4 September 2010 (BST)

Hawaiian 20:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Your statements regarding fear of the opposite sex due to abusive behavior falls outside of the main issue, but none-the-less could be delegated to sub-topic, which regardless is a result of degenerated Cause and Effect event. To continue this path of fear is still against creational laws of harmony between a physical male/female in order to maintain its evolutionary development. If not resolved in this life cycle, then perhaps in the next incarnation?

It is becoming a chore to verify my statements that I have posted to those that govern their responses with emotional rather than logical reasoning as the connections are derived utilizing the materials posted on this website. In which two are listed on the bottom and the 3rd requires one to extrapolate it logically using their minds to connect why in the material realms there is a separation between human males and females.

One has to logically reason from a point of view regarding energy flows, that males are generally positive in nature while females are negative. It is not to say females are negative, but the flow of energy completes the cycle between positive and negative otherwise the physical human race will cease to exist.

Thus, if one is a physical male and has sexual desires for another male, which by nature or creational laws an attribute “assigned” to a female, then therefore is it NOT a state of CONFUSION? I think on U-tube, Billy does attest to this notion?

http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form, as well as inherent homophile selfishness, are interpreted as engendering a pseudo-homosexuality that is generated by one's own thoughts and fantasies, and which transgresses against the natural-creational laws and directives, and consequently constitutes an aberration. This form of homosexuality shows no relation whatsoever to the naturally occurring homosexuality that is against nature but genetically predetermined by nature. As a rule, the degenerate homosexuality, hence the pseudo-homosexuality that is self-created through thoughts and fantasies is paired with other self-generated sexual abnormalities and transgressions against the laws of nature, such as sodomy, masochism, sadism, and so forth. Homosexual men, by definition, cannot perform sexually procreative acts with one another. They can merely gratify themselves sexually, as is explained in the OM:

http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra#Relationships No men and women on Erra are homosexual or bisexual as this benign and natural genetic disorder has been eradicated through genetic manipulation.

Sanjin said ...

Thanks for the fast response. I still do not agree that homosexuality is necessarily confusion, unless it is developed due to confusion and "Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form", etc...

A good example of this would this degenerate behaviour of Afghan so called "men", who are not just pseudo-homosexual, but also pedophiles.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL

I'm not sure how correct the last thing is you posted, since I do not have the original source to back it up and also since there are also other things stated on that page which are not true.

--Sanjin 22:40, 4 September 2010 (BST)

Hawaiian said ...

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--Hawaiian 00:06, 5 September 2010 (BST)

Hawaiian said ...

The answers you asked has already been addressed, but requires further analysis by one reading it for example, it’s part of the evolutionary process of Free Will. Each must find that “awareness” in order to proceed further in evolution.

1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.

2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)

3. This is a topic has already been addressed so I will not commit any more energy towards it since now the issue is to be resolved internally by those seeking to find the necessary acceptance, which none-the-less will provide the knowledge and experience for your spirit.

--Hawaiian 00:54, 5 September 2010 (BST)

Neckel said ...

Salome all,

I want to take your attention especially to this sentence: "it means that homosexual men are guilty then, when they come together in such a way that makes them capable of giving birth in an unnatural and sacrilegious manner (for instance through genetic manipulation etc.), and then have sexual relationships for the purpose of procreating descendants by this means:" So in other words if you implant an uterus in a male human being, so that he becomes capable of creating offspring if he gets begotten by an other male....... I am sure some of you saw the movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger got pregnant ;)) :)) This creates turbulences in the balance and energy flow....... Natural "unnatural" homosexuality, whether from male to male, or from female to female in a natural way, can also be found in nature with various animals..... And in nature this is not the only "natürliche Unnatürlichkeit" that can be found...... Currently the book OM is refined by explaining some paragraphs. Especially in the book OM one has to think a lot because the language applied there is thousands or millions of years old = other life = other metaphors than we use today.

May wisdom and peace become your steady friends.

--Neckel 14:55, 5 September 2010 (BST)

Hawaiian said ...

Please reference the 2 U-tube interview of Billy by Randy Winters regarding the issue of homosexuality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdWcqGZ_dxE&feature=related

Scroll to about the last minute of Billy Meier’s interview on U-tube where he describes what confusion in the current material life will do when one’s spirit re-incarnates the next time in the future. If one is not clear in his or her mind of his/her sexuality, then he or she will become a homosexual in the next incarnation. Here you have it straight from the 7th prophet, so deal with it and stop trying to “justify” your confusion with erroneous selfish thoughts, you are either a woman or a man not something else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEBPNJt-ZYY&NR=1

Here is another video clip where Billy explains more on homosexuality and finding solutions to this problem, it is covered in the first minute.

--Hawaiian 06:14, 14 May 2011 (BST)

Neckel said ...

Hi Hawaiian,

I know these videos, thanks. You apparently don't know much about reincarnation. Because of this confusion in sexuality in the actual life, your psyche will be affected in the next life, and then your psyche and mentalblock will really not know "what sex" it is, even it is biologically clear. Homosexuality is a reality, have you already talked to one ? What concerns animals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

Homosexuality appears also on planets where there is no overpopulation. The healing process mentionned by Billy takes a whole life, you will and cannot change this in the actual life of that person, it will be only in the next incarnation or the one after the next one when it will be tangled out, and also the sexual orientation of everyone is a pure private matter, and none of our business. Pedophilia on the other hand, is another case and should be heavily punished......

Further reading on Homosexuality: http://www.figu.org/ch/themen/Homosexualit%C3%A4t

Salome

--Neckel 06:44, 14 May 2011 (BST)

Moonwalker said ...

I am attracted to women because all my experiences with men have been negative, begining with my physically and mentally, controlling father. I don't mean to sound offensive but the following words are my feelings regarding men on this earth. Since the begining of time the male gender has been responsible for most if not all of the wars, rapes, brutality, oppression and ignorance because all most men think about is their dicks and their egos.

Janet

--Moonwalker 07:00, 14 May 2011 (BST)

Moonwalker said ...

Men and women have to have some control of their sex drives. Everything seems to be about sex. Grow up and get over it and put your dicks back in your pants. The world is in trouble and we need to step up to the plate. Stop thinking about your selfish urges and stop the bull shit called life on this earth.

Janet

--Moonwalker 08:23, 14 May 2011 (BST)

Ufofacts said ...

The views here about homosexuality are quite disturbing and have a smell of hate and aggression.

I am not homosexual, I am a man who finds women attractive ...... because of my genes and my psyche.

I have a good female friend who's sister is lesbian and also to other women where I work are also lesbian. They are nice people who do not attack us hetrosexuals. So why do us hetrosexuals think it is right and just to attack them.

I personally except that homosexuality is a natural process through the genes of a human being and/or the confussion of one psyche in regard to not knowing what sex actually is.

Even on Erra the Plejaren have homosexual men and women and they are more evoled then us. This should bring to your thoughts that regardless of the spiritual/conscious level of a human being homosexuality will naturally happen.

Just my thoughts, views

--Stephen Moore (User "Ufofacts") 13:08, 14 May 2011 (BST)

Hawaiian said ...

How can one scientifically relate the animal environment to the human species since reference to a rather open public source like Wiliki is NOT subjected to scientific scrutilization? And besides this study, as in ALL animal studies DO NOT factor in the most important parameters of human evolution which is the psyche or spiritual essence in addition that NONE of these studies factor in the “Placebo” effect, because simply speaking animals DO NOT posses these traits so how can you reference this article to human interaction which in this case refers to HUMAN Homosexuality? Neckel, you are just letting your emotions get the better of your logic and Billy already covers the negative consequences of homosexual “confusion” that will affect the next incarnation of that particular spirit in question, seems like you never viewed the video and would rather shoot you mouth off anyway. I don’t need to answer your immature question on whether I’ve interacted with homosexual individuals which I do. Their confusion is not my problem so long as they don’t try to push their agendas on others like gay rights or marriage benefits. Just look at the following studies to indicate the magnitude of gay men and health issues that are already taxing the medical condition on a worldwide basis not to mention other exotic diseases being formulated by “un-natural” sex acts utilizing the human waste tract to derive sexual gratification because of what Billy mention as “sick in the mind”?

http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdf

Now to another posting implying just because the Plejarens are more spiritually evolved and have homosexuality in their mists DOES NOT validate that premises just because of the former. They are still a long way to being purely spiritual and are still learning as we speak. As a matter of fact, they could also learn a few pointers from us Earthly degenerates, because they lack the necessary EXPERIENCE we have and continue to go through. Lastly, one human female made some comments about her negative encounters of men in her life as the reason why she prefers women. That’s her prerogative, I would agree that some guys are real pricks and have met my share of these egoistic amatons bent on stupidity one-track minded idiocracity that no drug rehabitational method will ever produce any satisfactory results! However not all fall into this category and I apologize for my fellow jerk offs for your current mindset encounters. My former girl friend had similar experiences like yourself, ended up in the hospital for 6 months with a nervous breakdown by a her male boyfriend who dumped her after 3 years on the same night he got married to his S.O. She too became a lesbian and wanted to continue our relationship which I found out later but wanted to keep a threesome with her lesbian psychiatrist which I could not handle because of my studies at the university. We parted ways and still are friends. Actually come to think about it, it may be advanteous because then I won’t be burdened with feminine emotional issues, she could get that release from her female partner. Females don’t know how difficult it is for guys to respond in ways they seem so natural to express and the primary reason why we need them. The following citation has some reference to problematic adolescent male elephants and human males that also need to have some hammer hung over their heads to keep them in line and out of trouble. It is relevant to Earthly human males especially the one responsible for much evil and destruction.

http://miltonconservative.blogspot.com/2011/01/tale-of-adolescent-elephant-rampage.html

Enough said and probably people will continue to argue on this subject which I will no longer invest any more energy and got better things to endeavor in because frankly speaking Homosexuality in not my problem so why should it be yours? There are more than enough information given on this website to make a logical decision and hopefully one will not negatively affect their next incarnation with confusion.

--Hawaiian 03:52, 15 May 2011 (BST)

Carsch said ...

What was not mentioned and is one of the most important thing here is that homosexuality may be a choice (already made in Consciousness) to experience that aspect of life.

--Carsch 17:11, 9 July 2011 (BST)

Carsch said ...

1. 1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors. Hawaiian, my suggestion is to not believe and accept everything you’re told, mostly because it’s coming from a source who appears to be more knowledgeable than you are. Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder. Creation works in perfect order, in perfect balance and harmony – and this is even when we’re not seeing that balance, that order and harmony. 2. 2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony) But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that i know not about? :)

--Carsch 17:37, 9 July 2011 (BST)

Carsch said ...

1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.

Hawaiian, my suggestion is to not believe and accept everything you’re told, mostly because it’s coming from a source who appears to be more knowledgeable than you are. Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder. Creation works in perfect order, in perfect balance and harmony – and this is even when we’re not seeing that balance, that order and harmony.

2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)

But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that i know not about? :)

--Carsch 17:39, 9 July 2011 (BST)

Hawaiian said ...

Carsch,

Don’t take my comments out of context to “suit” your agenda assuming I have some “belief” in this subject of homosexuality or other matters as well. Belief is a term I try in earnest to avoid and replace it either with “assume” or aware. As a matter of fact, I did post recently my views on the subject of belief or believing which is a stagnation of creational endeavor. For your as well as other’s reference, I’ll post it again at the end of this post.

Now, regarding your comments, which is posted here; “Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder.” YOUR QUOTE

One has to logically analyze why there are differences between a male XY and female XX genetic attributes along with its prospective psyche that generates a difference of electrical charge, since humans are electrical/magnetic in nature. Males having a slightly more positive characteristic, while females more robust negative charge. It is NOT to suggest females are negative in any sense, but as in electronics the flow of electrons goes from the negative to positive, BUT the flow of current goes from positive to negative.

Thus in the material being as well as in the spiritual Being up to the Petale level where the male and female are merged as one, this flow of energy is maintained in order to ensure both sexes are in harmony and continue to evolve as well as process the energy in its respective environments.

However, if a male becomes a homosexual, “his” thinking or psyche becomes female oriented, it causes confusion for the spirit because the energy interchange is reversed. The same goes for lesbian activity; you are either a male or female and not both and are bad for the psyche, which will cause more confusion in the incarnation process as well.

Billy has explained this homosexuality in detail which I posted somewhere on this site, he also mentioned the negative effects of human male dancing.

Now to the other quote you have made about creation being PERFECT, which is FALSE, another ABSOLUTE terminology you use because it appears you are stuck on your EGO to realize that creation is RELATIVELY perfect, a huge difference because it allows creation to continue to evolve without any limitations. To “believe” that creation is “perfect” is to stagnate its evolution.

Now, lets look at the # 2, MINE “2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (Except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)

YOURS: “But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that I know not about? :)

Why are you looking for something "out there" when the answers are all within ourselves? Again, you are not utilizing common sense, I did not state any directive, but only ask one to think logically on the reasons why homosexuality will NEVER by itself pro-create or more accurately perpetuate the human species. It is NOT being directed at Billy, the Plejarens or Creation itself which you imply, it is just a biological fact that a material human being need to accept their genetic makeup and live accordingly to their respective attributes being either a male or female and not something in between, in order to evolve further in accordance to the energy exchange factors listed previously.

BELIEF or BELIEVING

Belief or the act of believing is a stagnation of evolutionary Awareness; it is an ABSOLUTE frame of thought and/or mind that prevents further growth of one’s Consciousness. History has proven time again how the insanity of beliefs has brought utter destruction for those believing in spite of the contrary proving otherwise.

Take for instance the madness of the Giza Intelligences, believing they could still conquer the Earth in spite of many being aged nearing their end of life, but continue down the path of self-destruction and insanity, just like their counterparts in another part of the DERN universe who constructed that doomsday device which was disarmed by the Plejarens. They too believed in their insane madness of the belief they would prevail over benevolent measures and if not, then do as much destruction as possible.

Then take the military samurai leadership of Japan during the last days of WWII, who still harbored beliefs they could prevail in spite of the two atomic blasts and being surrounded by overwhelming military forces, some committed suicide instead of accepting defeat and learning there are better ways of evolution than war. The same goes to religious beliefs and we can only reference the crazy Islamic extremists who claim suicide bombing is right as well as other religions promoting such ideas.

Belief or believing is dangerous and should be replaced with a more harmonic method of Awareness, at least in being aware, one still has the option(s) of finding new ways to evolve and keeping the original concept as reference to build upon rather than being “stuck” on some type of belief system which often “forces” the environment to conform to its “reality” which often leads to insanity and destruction.

If one still “believes” in their own agenda of this or other topics, then it is no point in myself wasting my time and energy for those “stuck on stupid” with their belief EGO. I won’t even bother to respond any further because more than enough have been stated for logical consumption.

--Hawaiian 20:45, 9 July 2011 (BST)

Carsch said ...

Thus in the material being as well as in the spiritual Being up to the Petale level where the male and female are merged as one, this flow of energy is maintained in order to ensure both sexes are in harmony and continue to evolve as well as process the energy in its respective environments. However, if a male becomes a homosexual, “his” thinking or psyche becomes female oriented, it causes confusion for the spirit because the energy interchange is reversed. The same goes for lesbian activity; you are either a male or female and not both and are bad for the psyche, which will cause more confusion in the incarnation process as well.

Hawaiin, do you understand that all of creation is choice, and that there is no wrong and right choices? Do you also understand that whenever you start dictating what is and what is not, you are already creating your own limitations and thus limit yourself in your very expression and experiences, and to some point make your experience more difficult for you (which on the same note, is still your choice to make it difficult for you)?

Billy has explained this homosexuality in detail which I posted somewhere on this site, he also mentioned the negative effects of human male dancing.

And because he said those things, does it mean you (and others) have to believe him? I read what he said about male dancing, and i must say, that made me laugh.....cause it was just non sense. You know, a man can have great powers and abilities and yet be full of it, or just plainly ignorant when it comes to other matters.

Now to the other quote you have made about creation being PERFECT, which is FALSE,

So, are you saying that there is something wrong with the way creation, or consciousness is?

another ABSOLUTE terminology you use because it appears you are stuck on your EGO to realize that creation is RELATIVELY perfect, a huge difference because it allows creation to continue to evolve without any limitations.

Ok, i’m a bit puzzled here cause i personally believe that creation is continually evolving and without limitations. Is this what you are also saying here?

To “believe” that creation is “perfect” is to stagnate its evolution.

Why would it stagnate its evolution? A thing can be perfect and yet continue to expand (or evolve) beyond what it already is. Yet because it continues to expand does not mean it is imperfect, or not perfect.

Again, you are not utilizing common sense, I did not state any directive, but only ask one to think logically on the reasons why homosexuality will NEVER by itself pro-create or more accurately perpetuate the human species.

Well, and would it matter if it does not perpetuate the human species? There are those who are no homosexuals who can help perpetuate the human species, if that’s an issue, no?

It is NOT being directed at Billy, the Plejarens or Creation itself which you imply, it is just a biological fact that a material human being need to accept their genetic makeup and live accordingly to their respective attributes being either a male or female and not something in between, in order to evolve further in accordance to the energy exchange factors listed previously.

And, of course, that is your belief and perception of ‘what needs be’ in order for one to evolve. Others might have different views and opinion on the subject. :)

Belief or the act of believing is a stagnation of evolutionary Awareness; it is an ABSOLUTE frame of thought and/or mind that prevents further growth of one’s Consciousness.

Yet we’ve all chosen to experience with our beliefs for the very purpose of expanding. Needless to say, we all hold some kind of belief. Even the Pledians hold their own beliefs, as i can tell.

Belief or believing is dangerous and should be replaced with a more harmonic method of Awareness, at least in being aware,

I agree that it can be replaced with a more harmonic method, however not all beliefs are bad, dangerous or limiting.

If one still “believes” in their own agenda of this or other topics, then it is no point in myself wasting my time and energy for those “stuck on stupid” with their belief EGO. I won’t even bother to respond any further because more than enough have been stated for logical consumption.

It’s a choice. :)

--Carsch 23:59, 9 July 2011 (BST)

Sheila said ...

Another thing you may want to think about is how overpopulation is making spirit forms come back too early. So they may not have gone through the process of changing from female to male or male to female, so in these cases, choice may not have anything to do with it?

--Sheila 04:56, 10 July 2011 (BST)

Hawaiian said ...

Carsch,

Your biggest problem is YOURSELF, yet you won't admit it...blinded by you EGO, just like many before you and many more after you, all stuck on stupid.

--Hawaiian 05:07, 10 July 2011 (BST)

Carsch said ...

Sheila, once you understand that you are your own creator, that you are ONE with god (or Creation), that you create every single aspect of your reality, you will then understand that nothing, and absolutely nothing, is left to circumstances. Overpopulation has nothing to do with anything. In fact, overpopulation is nothing but a myth and is becoming a belief among many.

--Carsch 07:10, 10 July 2011 (BST)

Carsch said ...

Hawaiian, everyone’s biggest problem, if any, is but themselves. :)

--Carsch 07:12, 10 July 2011 (BST)

Carsch said ...

Sheila, in truth our planet can accommodate more people than we already have. But because we do not manage our resources efficiently, we generate the mass belief that we have overpopulated our planet. It is not necessarily a question of over population. It is more a question of resource management.

--Carsch 07:26, 10 July 2011 (BST)

Sheila said ...

No Carsch, it does have to do with overpopulation, over 8 billion now, where will it end? After we are done killing all the animals to make room for more humans (I already see this happening now, so it can only get worse)? Overpopulation is a fact and not a myth like you claim, must be the leftover catholic way of thinking you have. We need to stop multiplying, it really is that simple. Proper management of resources, lol. Who the heck are you trying to fool. They have all been exploited and you have no say what these corporations do with the resources. Are you planning on buying out haliburton, just so you can have a say on how they are used?

--Sheila 04:56, 11 July 2011 (BST)

Markvd said ...

Education is important and with our overpopulation schools are losing quality teachers and not enough room for all students. That is but one simple way to gauge intelligence of leadership and that is not very well defined right now. :)

--Markvd 08:36, 11 July 2011 (BST)

Carsch said ...

Overpopulation is a fact only because we are being taught to believe it as a fact. But then you’re probably thinking of the cities, cause that is what’s overpopulated. Hey, but you believe in what you want, right? :)

--Carsch 06:26, 13 July 2011 (BST)

Carsch said ...

Mark, our leaders aren't efficient people, and when they screw up, they'll only tell you what they see from their limited perspectives. And if we all believe them, we'll continue to be as screwed as they make things and want you to believe them. Hey, life goes on. ;)

--Carsch 06:29, 13 July 2011 (BST)

Sheila said ...

Hi Carsch, they are currently not teaching about overpopulation in schools (just this fact alone speaks volumes). So where am I getting this information? Like I said from the huge culling of animals when they encroach on civilization. Just recently in BC a woman died because of a suspected bear attack. They killed four black bears before testing which one could be the culprit. Cities of millions of people are a factor when you consider where that city is located (on a fault line, by a volcano). Dams and the displacement of those huge volumes of water is also major.

--Sheila 18:26, 13 July 2011 (BST)

Hawaiian said ...

Just two questions,

1. Are you Carsch a homosexual? If yes, than your "answers" explain themselves without addressing any issues brought forth.

2. Why has that excellent report on Homosexuality done by Marianne Uehlinger been removed from this website so all can reference it for their own consumption? She of all persons is called by the Plejarens as the "Conscientious One" because of her ancient ties to this mission and her contributions are still very important, yet this report is missing?

--Hawaiian 00:15, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Jamesm said ...

Hawaiian which report, please?

--Jamesm 21:06, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Hawaiian said ...

Jamesum,

Sorry, I made couple hardcopies of Marianne Uehlinger Mondria’s article on Homosexuality which was downloaded either from this website or another, I don’t recall off hand. But I definitely know I have more than one hardcopy, which unfortunately is stored in some boxes anticipating my move to another location.

If you can’t get it from her directly, then I’ll converted it in Pdf format and send it to you. It’s unfortunate not being able to quote some of her notes since even the Plejarens speak highly of her and I agree on her opinion about homosexuality, but cannot at the moment quote her words on some points that I have posted.

Billy,

Who was Marianne Uehlinger at the time of the great oaths and determinations 13,500 years ago, and what task or function does she have today?

Ptaah

114. Her name at that time was XANDAALA, which means “The Conscientious One.

115. At that time, as a former personality, she wasn’t, and also isn’t today, integrated into the group of the fallible ones and, thus, also isn’t a part of the Codex.

121. Her worth of collection and recognition is higher than what is often the case with the group members, which is why the necessary evolution for Marianne cannot be furnished on the group’s side

http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_235

--Hawaiian 00:09, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Sarah said ...

Unfortunatly,...for short time? First of all how I choose to live and do stuff with its totally a private matter.

And just because genetic alteration of humans to get rid of homosexuality has been done, doesn't necessarily make the action to do so ethical or natural.

Have you totally missed the whole "Live, and let live" part Hawaiian?

Besides, actually having people like us may actually help reduce the rising population number.

More "sex acts" between people that can't reproduce could actually lower it pretty quickly.

--Sarah 06:34, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Ilearn76 said ...

if a man beds down with another man or beast, then later begains to learn and to understand the laws of nature and creation. shall he still be punshied and cast out for the remainder of his life. is their such ways to repent or fix his broken self

--Ilearn76 00:41, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Hawaiian said ...

Sara,

Unfortunatly,...for short time? First of all how I choose to live and do stuff with its totally a private matter. PRIVATE MATTER OR MORE SO SELFISH ATTITUTE OF ONE’S OWN MATERIAL WANTS TOTALLY DISREGARDING THE CONFUSION HOMOSEXUALITY CAUSES TO THE SPIRIT WHICH WILL MORE THAN LIKELY RE-INCARNATE AS ANOTHER HOMOSEXUAL. And just because genetic alteration of humans to get rid of homosexuality has been done, doesn't necessarily make the action to do so ethical or natural. Have you totally missed the whole "Live, and let live" part Hawaiian?

AGAIN, MORE SELFISHNESS TO LIVE FOR TODAY AND NOT BE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE SPIRIT WILL INCARNATE IN ANOTHER CONFUSED PERSONALITY. Besides, actually having people like us may actually help reduce the rising population number.

MAYBE YOU HAVE A POINT IN REGARDS TO OVERPOPULATION, BUT THEN AGAIN WOULD NOT YOUR INFLUENCES TO THE YOUNGER GENERATION ALSO PRODUCE MORE HOMOSEXUAL CONFUSION AS TO PERPETUATE THIS UNCREATIONAL BEHAVIOUR?

More "sex acts" between people that can't reproduce could actually lower it pretty quickly.

TRUE TO A LIMITED EXTENT, BUT SEX ACTS AMONGST HOMOSEXUALS IS AGAIN ONLY SELFISH SATISFACTION THAT DOES NOT PROCREATE THE NEXT GENERATION. ALL THE PREVIOUS PERSONALITIES THAT WAS IN A “NORMAL” STATE GEARED TOWARD THIS CREATIONAL PROCESS ARE NOW IN LIMBO BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT SELFISH ACTS OF THE CURRENT PERSONALITY WHO ONLY THINKS ABOUT HIM/HERSELF. --Sarah 06:34, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

--Hawaiian 01:30, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Hawaiian said ...

Carsch,

Your comments are as screwed up as your chaotic "assumptions" and misquotes. You say all things creational are of choice.

Then say that to the manipulated DNA warriors whose ageing genes were short-circuited by the creator overlords from 350-450 years to no more than 100 years. Which by your words "all of creation is choice" that now contaiminates every single human being on Earth.

So therefore "by choice" each and every single human now commits a serious crime to creational laws because of this "programmed suicides" originally done by the insane creator overlords. Did any of you out there made this short life cycle "by choice"???

There are other comments your delusional selfish mind has made which I will not waste my time on responding to, simply because you are stuck on stupid.

--Hawaiian 01:43, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Hawaiian said ...

llearn,

It is the now or current status that really matters, even if one did "transgress" or deviate in the past and acknowledges, learns from their mistakes and corrects its inbalance towards creational harmony then that person is on the right track.

Do not be burdened by a guilt which is defined by religious nonsense as "sin" to restrict your progress because dogmas was designed to keep others from the truth and to be manipulated and extorted by the religious parasites. Good luck in your endeavors

--Hawaiian 03:29, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Sanjin said ...

Ilearn76,

The laws on sexuality that are present in the TJ are not Creational laws, but are in fact the laws of the IHWH who lived at that time. You will also find that they are not translated correctly. But they were still very strict and one reason you could think of why is because, back then, birth control was not readily available or not available at all.

--Sanjin 04:03, 10 March 2012 (UTC)